Design-Build Remodeling: Budget, Design, Construction, and Planning Under One Roof
Host:
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This is the Home Remodeling Show, brought to you by Edge Construction. You can find them online at EdgeConstructionCompany.com. That is all one word, Edge Construction Company dot com.
Their telephone number is 608-636-3343. That number is easy to remember because it spells out 636-EDGE.
Mike, how are you doing this week?
Mike:
Great, Sean.
Host:
Of course, we are hanging out with Mike Twohig, owner of Edge Construction.
I do not know if I said that at the beginning of the show, but I am pretty sure everyone knows by now.
Mike:
They make me sound important.
Host:
One of my favorite people to hang out with because we always have so much fun and cool stuff to talk about.
We have an important conversation and an interesting conversation this week. It is a term I hear a lot: design-build.
We are going to talk about what that means, exactly what that process entails, and what you should expect.
Before we came on the air, we were talking about Orlando and some family trips. I know a few years ago — probably maybe a decade ago — you guys worked on one of those TV show houses where they do an extreme makeover. They do kids’ rooms and really fun play areas.
Do you get regular folks saying, “We are remodeling our home, and we want to do something fantastical”?
Mike:
We do not get much of that.
For TV, it is exactly like you would think. It is almost nothing like reality, other than we did build a house in about 30 hours.
On the show, it takes a week, but in order to make the one-week deadline, you have to be about 90 percent done in the first day. Amazingly, it happened.
We could do two shows on that thing. It was fun and interesting and almost killed me.
Host:
Oh really?
Mike:
Yes, not much sleep.
But we do get things like little niche areas underneath a stair or things like that. Occasionally, there is something that pushes the envelope a little bit.
But I would say right now, we are kind of stuck in normal land.
People do not seem to be trending toward making really specific spaces, even if it is a kid’s bedroom. Maybe they are thinking that down the road it is going to be an office or storage or something, so we are not going to make it too specific.
Or maybe people are putting the money in the kitchen and the primary bath. Maybe that is what is happening.
But in the Extreme Makeover house, we did some wacky stuff. There was something like an interactive floor where you could play basketball on it, and it showed up on a TV like a video game because one of the kids was into basketball. That was kind of neat.
Host:
I sometimes wonder about that because we talk about normal land. Are there ever some of those more unique things?
Mike:
We have done some. We just have not done one for a while.
Some years, especially in basements, we will do something sports-specific or hobby-specific. We have done some golf stuff over the years.
With a builder, we did one where they had a putting green, but they actually contoured the cement. A few years later, we went back to the same house to remodel, and the new people were like, “What is this? This is ridiculous.”
So we tore it out. It was kind of a waste of resources, I guess.
We have also done things for kids who were into dance or ballet, like a wall of mirrors, the right kind of floor to practice on, maybe a balance beam, and things like that.
Host:
Very cool.
This is really going down memory lane, but probably a good decade ago, you talked about a product you had seen. It was a basketball hoop for your driveway that folded flat into the side of the house. Do you remember that thing?
Did you ever get a chance to use one? Did anybody take you up on that?
Mike:
I think we had a customer bring it up, but it just did not pan out.
I was always wondering if that got you past the covenant because in a lot of neighborhoods, you cannot have a basketball hoop up, depending on how fancy the neighborhood is.
But yes, this one came out of the side of the house and tipped up. It was very cool.
We do have the Builders’ Show coming up in Vegas in a few weeks. I had a customer reach out and send me a picture.
Last year, I came back and talked about tubs, wood tubs, and copper tubs.
Host:
I remember that.
Mike:
The hand-beaten copper tubs were beautiful. They were amazing.
This year, I have a homeowner who sent me a picture of a wood and epoxy tub. I do not know if you have seen these. Somehow, you hollow it out of a tree, and then you complete the tub with epoxy pours. They are amazing.
The homeowner asked, “Where would I get one of these?”
I said, “I really do not know. I imagine those are custom made to order.”
I am hoping I will see them when I go to the show this year.
Host:
Are we talking about something like those epoxy tables you see online?
Mike:
If you want to go down a rabbit hole, search it out. You are going to be amazed at what people are doing and how artistic they are.
They can incorporate things into the epoxy. You can do just about anything and surround it with epoxy. It is clear, so you can see through it unless you tint it. It is pretty amazing what people are doing.
Host:
I know what I am doing at 9:05.
Mike:
Do not ask me. I need some tables, but there is a lot of work to get them to turn out right. I can do all sorts of custom carpentry, but epoxy is a different deal.
Host:
Design-build is what we are talking about this week. It is a very popular term. I hear it a lot.
It means different things to different people, right?
Mike:
It does.
I kind of made fun of the term design-build for the last 20 years because it seemed to me that everybody in our business called themselves design-build, which is still kind of true.
I resisted it for us for a long time. Maybe about five years ago, I gave in and said, “Yes, we are design-build.”
We have had designers for a long time, but I wanted to really feel like we could take that from the first visit all the way through construction drawings, architectural drawings, all that design phase, the renderings, and all the resources to pick everything out.
When I was a one-man show doing my own thing, I had friends doing the same thing who would call themselves design-build.
I would think, “I guess maybe if you are really stretching it.”
But I do not think that is really what the term means.
The term means you have this marriage of design and construction under one hat.
We can get into why that happened, when it happened, and what changed in the industry.
Host:
Correct me if I am wrong: just about everything that is built has some level of design.
Mike:
I would hope.
When I started construction, there were architects, and there were a lot of them. They were heavily involved in residential construction, especially if you got into maybe not starter houses, but second or third houses.
In our past, in the history of construction in the U.S., your first visit was often from an architect. You did a bunch of that design work, then found a builder, got those two together, and ended up with the house you wanted.
At some point, I think with the introduction of rudimentary CAD drawings maybe 20 years ago, the architects got squeezed out a little bit.
Looking back, I think we lost something there.
Now I see architects getting involved in projects, but it has to be something really special, a very big-budget project, or something complicated that normal people cannot figure out.
To be honest, our CAD program and our designers can easily design houses. We talked about normal land, and even beyond that, there is mostly what we can do.
We still use architects as a resource if we need help with something, if we have trouble sizing beams, or if we are not sure how to make a load carry. We have those resources, but largely we see architects more on the commercial side now.
Host:
You mentioned the two areas: design and construction.
We are going to spend a lot of time talking about design because we always do, but when we talk about construction, the first thing that comes to mind is carpenters.
But we are also talking about other specialty builders and different parts of the process, like HVAC and other areas, aren’t we?
Mike:
Yes.
We design the project and then send our drawings out.
If you mentioned HVAC, we are going to send that to HVAC and ask them to flesh that out. We call it redlining.
They will figure out where all the runs are going to go, what makes sense, and how to size the furnace. I also want them to give us options.
There is definitely design and decision-making happening there.
The more information, the better.
As a builder, we want to understand and speak the language our trades are speaking.
The only things we hire out are plumbing and heating, so we want to stay up on the technology, the new ways of doing things, and the design of those systems.
We want to be involved in that design so when they show up on the job, my foreman can say, “Okay, I know what you guys are doing. We have the drawings, this all makes sense, and the homeowner understands what they are buying.”
Host:
When we talk about design, a lot of us think of the visual design: materials, finishes, layouts, and those types of things.
But we forget there is also design on the construction side. Whether it is HVAC or electrical, there is a substantial amount of design and planning that goes into where the vents, wires, and everything else will go.
That is a big part of the overall design as well.
It can look beautiful, but you have to make sure what is behind the walls is comfortable and performing properly.
Mike:
Right.
When we talk about how much time we spend in design on a project, if it is going to take two or three months to do your kitchen, we are probably spending that amount of time in design too.
It is human nature to think design is the things you can see. But you do not realize you have to make a fair amount of the same investment in the things you do not see.
Even a basic footprint matters.
If we are going to open up a wall, how far can we go? How are we going to transfer load down? That is going to affect how wide the opening is for a doorway if we are widening things out or taking out a wall.
All of that has to happen.
You have to pay the piper on that stuff.
It is not as sexy or fun as picking out those finishes, but I think it plays strongly into how great those pictures are at the end.
If you want those great pictures, you have to make everything make sense all the way through.
Host:
Does CAD help with things like heat sourcing and where to put a vent?
Mike:
You can drop those in, but the heat calculations get very complicated because code specifies what you have to do.
Code will say you have to move this much air, have this many vents, and this much return air in a space.
Things are changing a little because of how we are able to build now.
We built a house last summer and finished in June. It was a pretty good-sized ranch house out in the country. Because of how we finished the envelope, it is a very efficient house.
I talked to the homeowners last weekend and asked how it was going.
They have about a 2,000-square-foot common space — kitchen, great room, and dining area. It is just a big open space.
They said they can heat the whole thing this winter with only one vent in that room open.
I said, “That is great.”
We did talk to the inspector and were able to size down that furnace because I said, “This house is going to perform like a much smaller house.”
They are totally comfortable. Everything is great. There are no cold spots.
But it tells me that we could have made some changes there.
I took a class last year about this kind of thing. If we get into a smaller house and build it with today’s technology and all these great ways we have to insulate — and I believe in super-insulating — we can heat a smaller house with one small unit with a couple of outlets.
We do not have to put in a big furnace because it just would not run enough to work well.
Host:
That is amazing to hear.
We are talking this morning with Mike Twohig, owner of Edge Construction, about design-build.
We are going to get way into that term and what it is. We are kind of laying the groundwork right now, which is probably what a lot of design-build is as well. The design part is laying that groundwork.
We will have more details from Mike in just a moment.
In the meantime, if you have not been to the website yet, head over to EdgeConstructionCompany.com. That is all one word, Edge Construction Company dot com.
There are links there to Houzz, Pinterest, and Facebook. Houzz is an amazing one, so check that out.
Their telephone number is 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
Edge Construction brings you the Home Remodeling Show right here on 1310 WIBA.
Host:
This is the Home Remodeling Show, brought to you by Edge Construction. You can find them online at EdgeConstructionCompany.com. That is all one word, Edge Construction Company dot com.
It is a great website to learn more about Edge Construction. There are also links there to Houzz, Pinterest, and Facebook — all the great, cool places everyone is hanging out.
Houzz is an amazing tool, by the way.
If you are thinking about doing some remodeling, head over to EdgeConstructionCompany.com. Check out the portfolio there and the link to Houzz because you will be amazed and get some great ideas.
Once you have some good ideas, Mike and the team at Edge Construction would love to talk with you.
All you have to do is pick up the phone and call 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
We are talking design-build this week with Mike: what it means, why it came about, and more.
You were talking in the last segment about architects, working with architects, and the designs they come up with.
One nice thing at Edge Construction, and I know it is a priority, is that B word: budget.
Having in-house design and in-house construction really keeps the budget in mind throughout the process, doesn’t it?
Mike:
Yes, that is a huge thing.
I think it is a huge advantage to design-build.
When architects kind of ran the show, they were not really the budget people. They were designing, and it was separate from construction.
They were probably trying to give you some idea of what it was going to cost. If you said, “I have this many dollars in my budget,” they would do what they thought would stay in that budget.
But I think there was a lot of trouble sometimes when you got to the construction side, where you start getting into nuts and bolts, picking out products, and pricing things out.
Then all of a sudden, you are over budget.
In design-build, and this is how we do it, I have a saying: If you are not talking about money, you are not really talking about anything.
It is the uncomfortable subject. Nobody wants to say at every stage, “How much does it cost?”
But we are doing it.
We are trying to get feedback to homeowners all the time.
If you come up with the basic project, we design for that and try to price it on our initial pricing. Then we start getting into changes and reactions, and we have to keep a hold of that budget.
Generally, it does not go down. As you are picking things out and making changes, those are usually things that affect the budget on the upside.
We want to at least keep you informed.
I think it is much easier to do when you have design and construction under the same house.
Host:
Does that help too because you have phenomenal designers at Edge Construction?
We have talked about Heather and others there.
Since you are working together day in and day out, people may not be aware, but prices have fluctuated quite a bit over the last couple of years.
Having those daily conversations has to be a great benefit for your designers to understand from you personally what is going on in the real world.
And conversely, for you and the builders, it helps to understand what is going on on the design side.
That line of communication has to be beneficial for understanding what is possible with a certain dollar amount and budget.
Mike:
It is.
Take it one step further: We provide products. It is our cabinets, countertops, tile, and flooring choices, and we have all those options in our showroom.
Heather is our head of sales and design, and her group of designers is constantly sourcing new products.
They are looking at a couple of things.
First, they want to like the product. It has to fit into designs and be something we think people are going to want.
It also probably should not be, if it is tile, $100-a-square-foot tile. That just does not fit into budgets.
Sometimes people come to us and say, “I really want something special, and this is what I am looking for.” Sometimes it does end up being something like that, but generally not for the whole project.
A big one is supply chain. Can we get it?
There are products that fit budgets and we like them, but ordering them is not repeatable. It might take six weeks, or it might take six months.
Occasionally, homeowners have to be a little patient because sometimes we have a product that has been repeatable, fits budget, checks all the boxes, and then all of a sudden it is backordered.
That is happening right now. I feel terrible about it, but there is nothing I can do.
Host:
Does this help with the final contract?
One thing that is important at Edge Construction is accurate pricing and accurate design.
Is having design-build in the same building, and having those conversations, part of why you are able to be so precise about cost and timeline? The design is in-house, and you have been working and guiding that process up to the build.
Mike:
Yes, that is a great point.
It gives us a much better understanding of the project, so our pricing can be a lot more accurate.
We have talked many times about how, if we sign a contract at a price, that is what you are going to get delivered.
I am not going to come to you at the end and say, “Well, it is 10 percent more because we found something behind the wall or this happened.”
I have to live and die by those prices.
This is a little bit of a dirty secret, maybe. If you want good pricing and firm pricing as a homeowner, you have to be really specific about what you want.
If you go through the design process with us, all that design is done before we go to contract, so we are able to write a really accurate contract.
We do not go into projects with allowances.
Honestly, my friends in this industry think I am nuts. They ask, “How do you do all that upfront? Why would you bother?”
I say, “Because way back when I used to do that, I never had projects finish at the budget.”
How do you get that allowance right?
There is a lot of incentive for remodelers to give you a lower allowance so the project looks like it is coming in at a better budget price.
I am just not built that way. I do not like allowances. I like an accurate contract.
When design and construction are married, we have design and construction in the same room. There is a lot of feedback going back and forth.
Sometimes designers design something and I ask, “Who is going to build that?”
They say, “Don’t we have a company full of great carpenters?”
Well, yes, but we have to figure out how to build this thing.
Host:
It is so cool.
As we talk with Mike Twohig this morning, I mentioned the website. We are talking about design-build and understanding the benefits of it.
When you go to EdgeConstructionCompany.com and look at the projects, I love that slider with the before-and-after pictures and those great results.
It is not coincidence. It is done through good design and good construction.
That is one of the cool things when you head over to EdgeConstructionCompany.com: actually seeing that firsthand and how it all worked out perfectly.
I know some of the projects also have great early renderings and other things, so you can actually see what that process was like.
Head over to EdgeConstructionCompany.com and check out the work there.
Also get to know the team at Edge Construction and check out the links to Houzz, Pinterest, and Facebook.
Then give them a call at 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
We will talk more about design-build with Mike Twohig of Edge Construction as the Home Remodeling Show continues right here on 1310 WIBA.
Host:
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Once again, here is Sean Prebil on News Talk 1310 WIBA.
This is the Home Remodeling Show, brought to you by Edge Construction. You can find them online at EdgeConstructionCompany.com. That is all one word, Edge Construction Company dot com.
Their telephone number is 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
We are talking this week with Mike Twohig about design-build, what that is, and how it can vary for some as to exactly what it means.
We are also talking about some of the benefits of working with a designer and builder that are truly under one roof and working together regularly.
Before the break, we were talking about some of the discussions that the construction side and the design side at Edge Construction have.
The more I have learned over the years about what they do on the design side, I understand there is an understanding.
Some people may say, “I am going to bring in my own designs,” or “I have this.” That is one thing.
But having someone who understands the system throughout, knows which questions need to be asked, and knows exactly where to go with those questions is another fantastic benefit.
Since you guys are working together day in and day out, there is an understanding when the homeowner brings in a really neat picture off Houzz of a great little space. The designer can go right to you or somebody else on the construction side and say, “How do we build it?”
Mike:
Exactly.
How do we build it? What products do we use? What is the impact on our schedule?
We will give them our labor number on it so they can probably sell products.
We joked about our in-house arguments. They are not really arguments, but I will give you one.
Generally, these are about products.
We have talked before about choosing a remodeler and asking where their floor is on things.
If their floor on plumbing products is whatever is on sale on the clearance rack at a big-box store on Saturday, then that is not a very good floor. Trust me. It is not a product I would want to sell.
The more heated discussions behind the scenes are probably more about products.
Designers find a flooring product, maybe an LVT. They love the look of it, and it fits in the budget.
Now I start getting worried because if it sounds too good to be true, sometimes it is.
Then when my people on the ground at the job go to install it, they may say, “Oh, it has this problem. A lot of it was mismanufactured. We are going to have some open joints. Maybe it is not locking together right.”
Yes, it looks great. Yes, it is budget-friendly. But there is a reason.
That stuff happens all the time because the designers are like roaming lions looking for product.
There are all these options now, but a lot of them will not be around next year. Manufacturers have gotten smart. They want to constantly come up with new things so you cannot just go back to the old thing.
They want you to move around and stay in style.
But a lot of things go out of production. Sometimes things go out of production between the time we contract and the time we order them.
We go through this design process, get this product, then order it, and they say, “Nope, you cannot get it.”
Now we are back to the problem.
So those product issues happen. There have been tiles, LVTs, and wood floors where we have had a problem later on, and maybe it became a warranty issue.
These discussions between construction and design are always ongoing.
I think it is valuable for design to hear feedback from the construction side. We talk about how great design is all the time, and they deserve a lot of credit, but they need feedback from us too.
We might say, “Please do not order that product again. We had to do this, this, and this, and maybe it took twice the labor we thought it would to install it.”
Host:
Unique design is also important.
Anyone who has taken the time to go to EdgeConstructionCompany.com or checked out your Houzz page can see that each project is treated individually.
Every home is unique, and every homeowner has their own taste.
For your designers and construction teams, you do not want someone to look into a bathroom and immediately say, “That is Edge Construction,” because it looks the same as everything else.
Having that flexibility in design-build means a designer can put something on the construction side and know they are going to execute it well.
Mike:
I love that point.
It is like a barber. You can always tell it is a version of the same haircut.
That happens in construction a lot.
I can drive around town and say, “I know what builder that is,” because you can see they like certain things and hang on to those things, sometimes too long.
Designing things is a big time investment, so the temptation to reuse an old design or borrow from a previous project is pretty tempting.
That is a question I would ask if you are looking for a remodeler: How do you treat this?
From my side, I make our people start fresh every time.
We do not use past projects to price anything.
We build it in CAD every single time, come up with new CAD every single time, and then start pricing that.
So we build it in CAD, build it in the budget, and hopefully build it on the ground.
That is a time-consuming process, but I think it is a much more honest way to do it, especially on pricing.
If you look online and ask what it takes to do an average kitchen, you might get a range of $20,000 to $80,000 or a multiplier like $200 a foot.
The same thing happens with remodeling. When we price an addition, it is not uncommon for somebody to say, “That is $200 a foot.”
I say, “Well, yes, it is more than that to build a house new, and it does not matter anyway. If this addition is going out four feet, it is probably $400 a foot. If it is going out 100 feet, it might be $200 a foot.”
There is size, scale, and complexity where those multipliers just do not work anymore.
Host:
I think of this from a design standpoint.
If I am just a designer, the material does not cost me any different to design. I can design anything because whether it is the most expensive countertop in the world or something basic, it is not costing anything different to design it.
But when you actually have to start buying these things on the build side, that changes.
That goes back to the relationship between design and construction at Edge Construction. If something needs to fit into a certain budget, you know it. If not, it will be caught.
When those two operate under one roof, they can both operate under the same company culture.
Mike:
Right.
Our culture is that we are going to have a really good floor on products.
We want our designers to be confident that whatever they pick out of our agreed-upon group is going to be a good product and not something we get kicked back on.
On the high end, that is different. I understand what you are saying.
You can design a 14-karat gold bathtub, and that does not cost the designer anything.
We have talked about some of those fancy tubs. At some point, it is like a piece of artwork.
I do not think you can talk anybody into that. You have to be moved to do something like that.
But there is some neat stuff out there.
Host:
We are talking this morning with Mike Twohig.
It is always fun talking design-build with Edge Construction. The website is EdgeConstructionCompany.com.
That is Edge Construction Company dot com.
Check out their amazing work, and pick up the phone and call 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
We will talk more design-build next as the Home Remodeling Show with Edge Construction continues right here on 1310 WIBA.
Host:
This is the Home Remodeling Show, brought to you by Edge Construction. You can find them online at EdgeConstructionCompany.com. That is all one word, Edge Construction Company dot com.
We are talking this week with Mike Twohig, owner of Edge Construction, about design-build and some of the great features at Edge Construction.
The designers and the team are all under one roof, one culture, and that is a great thing about working with Edge Construction to get your dream space done.
If you are thinking about remodeling, call Edge Construction at 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
Earlier in the program, we mentioned the meetings involved when it comes to designing a project. There are a number of meetings with the homeowner, the designers, the construction lead, and others.
Let’s talk about the initial meeting and walk-through. Who is meeting with whom? How do the construction folks get involved?
Mike:
It starts when we show up at your house and start brainstorming a project.
We hear your ideas.
Some people have a really built-out plan. They have a written wish list, which is really handy.
I have talked before about how, if you want the best result out of a design team, be specific. Do a little homework before we get there so you at least know what you like or have some idea of what you like.
If you are really struggling and think, “I do not have a design bone anywhere in my body, and this is foreign to me,” I get that too. I do not want to scare you away.
But it is really helpful if you are tuned into this and ready to go to work on it. That helps the designers.
That first meeting is about fleshing this out.
We take that information back to our shop and do enough design to get to first pricing. If we cannot get there, then we are not having a discussion yet.
Host:
When you go out and look at the house, do the designers come with you?
Mike:
Yes. I am at that meeting, and generally Heather is at that meeting. She is the boss of the designers, and she is very involved in every project on design.
Thank goodness, because you can see her influence on our projects.
But I want to understand the project too.
We are going to go back, and I am going to say, “I saw these challenges. Make sure we figure for this.”
Because we are an electrical contractor also, I am taking a glance at that stuff. We are figuring out some of the basic things, maybe not specific things.
Like I said, we do not have to design the whole project at that point. We have to do enough to get to a realistic first price.
Host:
We should have Heather on one of these weeks and ask her this too.
During those home visits, is some of it about getting a feel for more than just the space you are going to remodel?
Is it about understanding the neighborhood, the rest of the house, how the space is laid out, and some of the style cues around the home?
I have to guess Heather and the design team are taking in a lot of things that may not be directly impacted by the remodel, but help make sure the design fits the space and lifestyle.
Mike:
Yes, very much so.
A good designer is doing that without the homeowner really knowing it or without me really knowing it.
When we pull up and start talking about things, they give me a look like, “Oh, that is cute. Mike is trying to understand design.”
I have been doing this a long time, and I think I am as good as a carpenter can be at it, hopefully.
But they are on another level.
They are looking at things you have bought, purchased, and things you were obviously attracted to. They probably ask a question or two to get that feeling, and they use all of that information.
We do not want to build something that does not fit the neighborhood. We do not want to price you out of the neighborhood. We want to make sure it is in line.
There are a lot of factors that go in there.
Beyond that, we are going to ask if you have tagged anything or built a library online, whether it is on Pinterest or someplace like Houzz, because that is really helpful too.
If you have not, we are going to encourage you to do that.
I am not really a Pinterest person, but if I go on our Houzz page, we have around 150 projects there. You can get a good view of what we do.
There are a lot of other things on there too. Something you see on our page may lead you to something else, and maybe you will develop a style there.
You might look at modern farmhouse, which is really popular right now, and I can see why it appeals to a lot of people.
You might go down a rabbit hole and say, “I am going to save some of these pictures because I really like this stuff. Maybe I am not sure why, but I really like it.”
Host:
One of the things that is really cool is that you have a dashboard on the back end of your Houzz page where you can see people from around the world who have seen your projects and saved them.
They could be in the Netherlands, for example, and see something you guys have done at Edge Construction and add it to their project. The same goes the other way too, doesn’t it?
Mike:
It does.
A lot of times, they have products we have not seen before. Maybe it is available if we start searching it out.
I like that.
I think you have to have an open mind on design. It is really helpful, and it is a lot of fun.
Host:
It is a great process.
Again, if you are thinking about doing some remodeling, today is the day.
Pick up the phone and call Edge Construction at 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
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