Kitchen Remodeling Trends: Induction Stoves, Quartz Countertops, Cabinets, Lighting, and Smart Design
Host:
This is the Home Remodeling Show, brought to you by Edge Construction. You can find them online at EdgeConstructionCompany.com. That is all one word, Edge Construction Company dot com.
Their telephone number is 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
Joining us this morning is Mike Twohig, owner of Edge Construction. Mike, how have you been?
Mike:
Great, Sean.
Host:
Any stray turtles in your neighborhood?
Mike:
Funny you mention that. You are going to tell the story. I know. You are setting me up for this.
One of my sons lives south of Cambridge out in the country. A couple of nights ago, he called and sent a text with a picture. It was this big honking turtle right next to his house.
It was a big snapping turtle.
Host:
How big was it?
Mike:
He said it was like two feet long. The major thing was that Sean saw it on Facebook this morning. Someone must have posted it on Facebook.
It was the biggest turtle I have seen in a long time.
Host:
Have you ever opened something up and found a family of raccoons or anything like that in your years of working?
Mike:
I have found plenty of mice and dead things, for sure.
It has been a long time since we talked about the infrared camera that I have. It detects temperature differences.
If you point it at a wall and it is really cold outside, you can see where the two-by-fours are because they are colder and transferring cold in. Where there is insulation, it will be warmer.
Several years ago, we had a homeowner downtown in a small house, and the homeowner said, “I think I have mice in my walls.”
I had the bright idea to take the camera, and you could actually see mice moving around in the wall.
So, not to creep you out, but if you have mice in your wall, do not call me. I am a carpenter.
Unless you want to remodel your kitchen or something.
But yes, the pest control people should buy an infrared camera.
Host:
You have to bring that back because you brought that in one time. It is obviously a legitimate tool, but it is also really neat.
Mike:
It is fun. You are such a techie. I think you would have fun if you borrowed it for a weekend.
Then you could tell me more about it than I know.
Host:
We are going to talk kitchens this morning, and there is going to be a lot of technology.
Are we seeing induction stoves becoming more popular?
Mike:
We are.
I could tell it was coming because when I go to the National Builders Show, things start to show up there. Induction has been around longer than this, but when you walk up and see someone boiling water, then they pull the pan off and immediately put their hand on the surface, you think, “Whoa, what is going on?”
Do not do this on Mike’s recommendation, by the way. I think I would still be nervous to do it.
But yes, induction boils water ridiculously fast.
Host:
I am not familiar with it at all. Is it kind of a hybrid between the convenience and power of a gas stove, but also the control and not having fire like electric?
Mike:
It is interesting that you bring up gas because gas stoves have been a little under fire in the last year.
At first, I thought, “Oh no, it is just our government trying to take away one more thing.”
But I have done some research on it, and it is an open flame. It is consuming oxygen in the middle of your room. I have been in classes where they say it is a lot like somebody smoking right next to you.
For my whole career, if you were a great cook, you wanted a gas stove. That is changing a little because of the technology that has come out in the new stoves.
In my house, we do not have an induction stove. We have a flat glass-surface stove. My wife is an unbelievable cook, and she has said she would not go back to gas. It is easy to clean, really manageable, and they have gotten better. You can control your heat now.
Induction is another level.
You need a magnetic surface, so the pans are a little different. Cast aluminum and cast iron do not work. You need a steel magnetic surface, and that is what makes it go.
How does it really work? I do not know, but I have seen plenty of demonstrations. I think our next stove, when we need one, will most likely be induction.
The safety aspect is really cool too. How many of us have stood there trying to boil water, wondering when it is ever going to boil? It looks like induction has really come a long way.
Host:
Does that require any special wiring?
Obviously, if you are converting from gas to electric or induction, there are changes. But is there anything extra-special or extra voltage?
Mike:
It is a regular 220, just like any electric stove. So it is not really a big problem to change.
A lot of times when we do a remodel, even if somebody is putting in an induction stove, they might say, “Why don’t you run a gas pipe so that if someday I want a gas stove, we could do it?”
But increasingly, we see the move away from gas.
Host:
Do we see the oven go electric then?
Mike:
Yes.
On the efficiency side, induction is more efficient than an open flame because with an open flame, you are giving away a lot of heat. Especially with induction, where the heat is going right to that magnetic surface of the pan, I think it saves energy there.
All those appliances are getting more efficient over time.
If you have something that is 10 years old, the conventional wisdom says you can almost pay for that 10-year-old stove, washer, dryer, or refrigerator with the efficiency of a new one.
Host:
It is interesting that we started talking about induction stoves because I did not think we were going to.
Before the show, I said we have talked about kitchens a few times on the program, and it never ceases to amaze me that we often find something new we missed.
Mike:
As long as we are on appliances a little bit, we should talk about where the trend is going with appliances.
Coming out of 2008 and the housing crisis, it took many years to get over that. Appliance companies got hit particularly hard. A lot of the appliances they made during that time were not that great.
There was some consolidation. One company ate up another company and did not really do a good job of keeping it going.
We are through all that, and it seems like we are coming out the other side with much better-quality products and a lot of innovation.
The European products are pushing things, like the Bosch-type companies from Germany. Some of the Japanese companies are great, and some are maybe not so great. That is something you have to decide for yourself.
But in general, the trend is moving in the right direction.
We have talked about tech before in appliances. If you look at the apps on Sean’s phone, you would need a couple of days to go through all of them.
The trend was, “You are going to be talking to your appliances.” But nobody really talked to their appliances.
Then manufacturers said, “Maybe we should get smarter about this and gear it toward diagnostics.”
If you have ever had something serviced, it is the least fun thing in the world to try and get your appliance fixed. There are a bunch of reasons for that, and I would rather have your manufacturer explain it because they are the naughty ones in that scenario.
Now, with a lot of appliances, you can contact the manufacturer, and they can basically talk to the appliance through your Wi-Fi. It will self-diagnose.
That is where the smart portion went in some cases.
In some cases, if it is something on a motherboard — I do not know if they call them that anymore — they can adjust through Wi-Fi and make changes to fix it.
Or they might say, “If we send you a part, it is plug-and-play. Pull this one out, put this one in. Are you willing to do that?” That can be better than trying to set up an appointment and wait forever.
Host:
I was trying to find the app I use for my washer, dryer, and refrigerator.
It is interesting you mention that because the previous model we had had a refrigerator with a tiny speaker up in the corner. You would dial an 800 number, hold your phone up, and there was a tone or error code that we could not hear but the phone could receive.
Now they are all Wi-Fi. You can see the status of them and those types of things.
Mike:
So if your fridge was out of power for a while, would you get a notice?
Host:
I get a notice if the freezer drawer or doors are open.
First it will make this little noise, and if that does not get a response, I get a push notification on my phone saying something is ajar.
We were at an estate sale the other weekend with my in-laws, and it was a beautiful old Victorian. We went into the kitchen, and they had this gas range. I think it might have been a Wolf brand. I do not know how long Wolf has been in operation, but the thing had to be from the 1950s or 1960s.
I looked at it almost like a piece of art.
Mike:
Yes, exactly.
Host:
That thing will outlast 10 lifetimes.
As we think about countertops, flooring, and other things, you want longevity and durability. You do not have to settle for disposable appliances either, do you?
Mike:
No.
The jury is still out on this new batch and how long they will last. I do not know.
I remember my grandma had a 40-year-old Maytag that still ran like the day it was brand new. There were not many computer chips in that machine. It was very simple.
I do not think appliances are going to last 40 years now, and maybe they should not. But the overall quality is getting better.
Some of the tech that we thought was a little gimmicky has gotten better and is now lasting.
I remember maybe eight or 10 years ago, we had a homeowner who bought one of those refrigerators with TVs in them. They did not work forever. That was going to be a problem.
Last year, a homeowner got the highest-tech fridge I have seen in a while. It has a screen, almost a live-action screen, on the front door. Your kids can draw on it like a whiteboard. Or maybe your background is the weather report. You can watch TV on it.
You can also be at the grocery store, pull up your app, and look inside because it has cameras inside. You can see whether you are out of milk.
Host:
I think I know what I am doing after the program this morning. It is a great weekend to get out and do a little shopping.
We are talking with Mike Twohig, owner of Edge Construction. You can find them online at EdgeConstructionCompany.com.
Speaking of technology, EdgeConstructionCompany.com has some great stuff there on the website. It has been a few years since you put the little slider on there so you can see the before and after of some projects.
There are also links to Pinterest, Facebook, and Houzz. Houzz is a big one if you are thinking about remodeling.
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Welcome back to our conversation with Mike Twohig. We are talking kitchens this week here on the Home Remodeling Show with Edge Construction on 1310 WIBA.
Host:
This is the Home Remodeling Show, brought to you by Edge Construction. You can find them online at EdgeConstructionCompany.com. That is all one word, Edge Construction Company dot com.
Their telephone number is 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
We are talking kitchens this week with Mike Twohig of Edge Construction.
Mike, in the last segment, we talked about technology and different things coming to market. Quartz is not new, but when it comes to countertops, it has not always been available like it is now.
It is an amazing product. What is new about it is the different processes for coloring and design. If you want it, you can pretty much get it, can’t you?
Mike:
Pretty much.
Quartz has been on our radar for the past 10 or 15 years, somewhere in there. But for the past six or seven years, we have probably been 95 percent or more quartz at Edge Construction. We sell a lot of quartz.
There are a few reasons for that.
One is selection. At the National Builders Show, you see new designs in quartz. There are a lot of full slabs of quartz out there where you can look at what they are coming up with.
For a long time, quartz manufacturers would mirror things. If you wanted a granite out of Scotland or Italy, they could do that.
It used to be that you would put an order in for a slab from somewhere overseas. It gets cut out of the mountain, processed, sent over on a ship, further processed here, and then installed in your house. It is very expensive.
Now, all over America, and most of our stuff comes from Minnesota, you can get those designs in quartz. I believe that is the Cambria stuff. Their designs are so good.
They have taken quartz and made it look like natural stone. Quartz is a stone. It is actually harder than granite. They press it, grind it, use binders, and get it together. It ends up being a really stable, strong product.
There are a couple of other reasons quartz got popular.
Like you said, the choices are huge. We probably have about 30 regional granites in our showroom, and we still sell granite. It is a great product, and there is nothing wrong with it.
But compared to the hundreds of quartz products we have, it is a big difference.
You mentioned marble. We probably have 50 quartz samples that are based on marble products. You can have the benefit of quartz, the hardness of it, and not have to treat it. It does not stain very easily, and it is very stable.
That is different from marble, which is twice the money, stains pretty easily, is hard to work with, and chips. Once it is installed, marble is great. There is marble around from 2,000 years ago that people used. But quartz is just a better product for most homes.
Host:
If the folks from the Global Granite Association or Global Marble Association are listening, Mike and I would love to tour one of your factories. All expenses paid by the association, of course.
Mike:
I would love a weekend in Italy.
Host:
Exactly.
Mike:
Granite is still a great product. The price point has gotten better, partially because of the competition granite is facing. People do pick it out.
But if you have a picture in your head of what you want, chances are you are going to find it in quartz.
Host:
What is interesting with quartz, and why we see so much of it, is that it is no longer like it used to be.
I remember some very early quartz, and it was pixelated.
Mike:
Exactly.
Host:
Now, unless you get up close, you cannot tell. It is indistinguishable visually, and you also get improved performance.
Have they come up with a wood-grain-looking quartz yet? Maybe I am saying that and they are saying, “We are on it.”
Mike:
I have seen that.
They spent all this time mirroring natural stones, and in the last couple of years at the show, they are actually coming up with things you do not find in nature: interesting colors and cool stuff.
We have not really seen that make it out to us in the field yet. We have seen samples at the shows, and we are hoping to have some of that stuff in our showroom soon.
Host:
Could a Packer fan request green and gold?
Mike:
Probably, yes. You would have to convince us to do it.
That is the weird thing about quartz. There are applications for almost every color.
Commercially, if you go into a fast-food restaurant or something else, they might want red, purple, green, pink, or another color. We actually have samples of all that. They do not see the light of day very often in our showroom, but we do have them.
Host:
We are talking this morning with Mike Twohig, owner of Edge Construction, about designing that dream kitchen and some of the options available.
One great thing is that there are so many options.
Mike mentioned getting into the showroom at Edge Construction, seeing these options, and getting design ideas.
Another opportunity to get design inspiration is the website, EdgeConstructionCompany.com. That is Edge Construction Company dot com. It shows a lot of great recent projects they have done.
The big link there is Houzz, H-O-U-Z-Z, from EdgeConstructionCompany.com. Do you remember how many projects you have on there off the top of your head?
Mike:
I think it is still around 170.
Host:
It is amazing. There is a lot of stuff to go through and get ideas and inspiration.
Speaking of ideas and inspiration, I know that for you as a carpenter, cabinetry, build quality, and design quality are high on your list.
We have talked in previous shows that when it comes to the cabinet lines you carry at Edge Construction, you make sure you have gone to those manufacturing facilities to see not only the finished product, but how it is put together and assembled to make sure it is up to your standards.
Mike:
Yes.
It is not Italy, but if you ever want to go to Rib Lake, Wisconsin, which is somewhere near the North Pole, they build great cabinets there.
That has become our main supplier. It is called Great Northern.
It is interesting to go there because if you go look at a good-sized cabinet manufacturer now, there is usually a lot of automation, CNC, and things like that.
It is not that Great Northern does not have that, but at this manufacturing facility in Rib Lake, Wisconsin, they still have a lot of people involved. There is pride there.
Instead of getting checked once at the end by an inspector watching cabinets roll by, everybody does their job and inspects every part of the process. The result is a better product.
We eased into them. I think our first stuff was probably a couple of years ago. Now we are going pretty whole hog with them.
We still do quite a bit of Wellborn Forest. It is a little better price point and still a good cabinet, but we are really happy we took on Great Northern.
Host:
Not just the structure, but the finishes are important too.
For people who think they just paint them, there is more to it.
Mike:
Yes, it is really hard to replicate that finish.
When you are spraying finishes, paints, stains, or poly, and you are doing that in a cabinet factory, it is like lab conditions. You have perfect conditions. You do not have a breeze. You are sucking out all the dust and smells. You have a clean environment.
Your spray is running constantly, so it is never plugged, over-spraying, or clumping. They get really specific and familiar with the products.
What happens is that if we get into the field and there is a problem, it is much harder for us to fix. What we want is something to come out of the factory and be perfect every time.
That is too tough a test. I hate to break it to you, but generally we have to do some work on almost every product we install.
But the Great Northern people have a higher level. We like how they finish the cabinets, the products they use, and the process they use.
Host:
With a kitchen especially, but really every room in the house, you want it to look great. But you also think about wear and tear.
We have talked about kiddos before. They are not always gentle with cupboards and drawers. Sometimes, especially when they are little, they decide that pulling a drawer out might make a nice little step.
Kitchens and modern cabinets need to stand up to that stuff, don’t they?
Mike:
I hope so.
Now, we do not recommend using your drawers as steps.
But nothing is no maintenance. Keep it clean, take care of it, and do minor repairs. We give you care products to go along with it, and you take care of those things as you go.
The better factory finish needs to be durable. Generally, those finishes are much more durable than something we can do out in the field.
Paint is not just paint now. It is a chemical process that hardens. There are different formulations so you can have more durable products.
That is something we pay attention to when we are looking for products to sell.
Host:
It is amazing.
I was listening to a podcast where they were talking with someone from Volkswagen about car paint. Car paint, cabinet paints, and stains are more than just color.
There is a real science to paint, including the chemistry. These are things I had never thought of, but they make a huge difference.
Another important part, like with cars, is availability, repairability, and serviceability.
With cabinet manufacturers, if a kid does climb up on a drawer and bend some of the hardware, this stuff is available to be serviced and repaired. You are not stuck.
Mike:
Right.
We are happy to help with that kind of stuff.
We have had homeowners say, “My kid took a fork and scratched my cabinet door,” years after we did the kitchen.
Typically, with that kind of thing, we can send the door back to the manufacturer and say, “Please send us a new one like this.” That will be a charge, but at least you can get what you need.
It is important to have a manufacturer willing to do those kinds of things.
Host:
We are talking this morning with Mike Twohig, owner of Edge Construction.
The website is EdgeConstructionCompany.com. Their telephone number is 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
Edge Construction brings you the Home Remodeling Show right here on 1310 WIBA.
Host:
This is the Home Remodeling Show, brought to you by Edge Construction. You can find them online at EdgeConstructionCompany.com. That is Edge Construction Company dot com.
Their telephone number is 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
We are hanging out with Mike Twohig of Edge Construction this week talking about kitchen remodels.
As we think about planning and design options for a kitchen remodel, are there certain things that are almost universal now? Are there things people come in and say, “If we can, I have to have this”?
Is an island one of those?
Mike:
Yes.
I think there is almost never a time where we are not trying to fit an island in somehow.
We do get pretty inventive. A normal cabinet is 24 inches deep. We can do reduced-depth cabinets. We have reduced island cabinets down to 18 inches. I think we can do them in three-inch increments.
You can still have drawers and all the goodies, but it is 18 inches instead of 24. It is about two-thirds of the full size, but it is better than nothing.
Then you can put a countertop on that and maybe have a shorter overhang, maybe eight or 10 inches, so you can still get seating there.
Now you have an island with a smaller footprint than a full two-foot cabinet and one-foot overhang. Instead of a little over three feet, you are getting it down by about a foot. That makes quite a difference.
There are times we just cannot get an island in there. It is somewhat rare, but sometimes it does not make sense. By gaining the island, we might lose something else.
Host:
What are the things that show up in almost everything?
Mike:
Our lighting package.
The reason we do not talk a lot about lighting on the show is that it has become standard.
From the start, unless you tell us not to, we are going to figure under-cabinet lights and good background lighting with LED can lights. We know you are going to want fixtures above your island or peninsula, and maybe a fixture above the sink.
Instead of making you opt into all that stuff, we include it from the start. My theory has always been that if this is what everybody wants, then that has to be the basis.
Host:
Pendant lighting and those types of things seem to be the area where people do a little bit of design.
You mentioned the standard package: under-cabinet lighting and those things that are good for illumination.
What about the design features, like pendants and other fixtures?
Mike:
Those pendant lights hanging down over an island can really add personality.
I do not know where people are finding some of these because you are not going to find them in the big-box stores and maybe not even in the lighting stores. We have accounts set up at lighting stores, and we let our people go there and buy on our account, but I assume the online world is full of options.
The amount of light you get from some of those fixtures is not necessarily huge. But they give you a look and add personality to your kitchen or space.
We want to make sure we are doing a good job with the background lighting — the base level of lighting — so you are not relying on specialty fixtures to provide a ton of light.
Host:
I think I know the answer, but is a lot of this possible thanks to LED?
I know one of the concerns you had early on was that blue hue, and that has been remedied. But LED lights can do things other types of lighting just could not do before, right?
Mike:
Yes.
LED has given us a lot more control over how you want to light your space and how you want the light to look.
You can pick your lumens. You can go from daylight to something brighter. If you really like that blue old-school LED look, you can get that too. I would not recommend it, but you can get a softer light.
We have taken dimmers for granted our whole lives, but it took LED a little while to figure out that process. The first dimmers that came out had problems. They flickered, had issues, and quit working.
Those problems were solved four or five years ago, and now we have not really had any issues.
The only new thing is that LED has grown. It has given us a ton of options, whether it is small pucks or good-sized six-inch can lights. They are not really can lights. They are an inch thick, but they look like a recessed light, and the light is actually better.
Host:
Do we see built-in water filtration?
I know in the Prebil household, water is a big conversation because my wife and son have strong opinions about good water.
Mike:
Do you have good water?
Host:
We are on city water, and we do have excellent water. But we have gone to one of those water coolers where you get the big five-gallon jug.
I know a lot of folks who have done kitchen remodels and said, “We want built-in reverse osmosis,” or something like that.
Are people relying on the refrigerator, or are they having a special spigot installed?
Mike:
I am spoiled because we live in the country and have well water, and it is very good.
When I drink reverse osmosis water, to me, it does not taste good. It is like they take everything out of it.
But there are some people who love reverse osmosis and have it. We do quite a few reverse osmosis systems for people who have had them in the past or want one.
Maybe they just have really bad water. If you have really bad water, it can be a good option.
There are a lot of people who do not want to drink the chlorine and some of the things put into city water. Some of those things are necessary, and some of that is up for debate.
It is worth thinking about.
What we want to do is have a discussion: What are your thoughts on this? How important is it to you? Do you want to do something different? Are there other filtering options that are not quite reverse osmosis but can fix some of the problems and get you where you want to go?
Host:
Speaking of getting water where you want it to go, what about pot fillers?
I have never used one. When it comes to the plumbing behind the wall, is it like a full-on faucet?
Mike:
It is a faucet.
The trick is that if your stove is on an exterior wall, you probably are not going to be able to have a pot filler because you cannot put plumbing into an exterior wall. It is a really bad idea.
That does limit it.
More often than not, stoves end up on exterior walls. When they are not, we always bring it up.
If you are building a new house, I think it is one of those things people would want, and we see that pretty often.
It is kind of a no-brainer to install when it is new. If the pathway is tough and it doubles the cost, we see people say, “You know what? It is not that important to me.”
For myself, when I am making my mac and cheese — not from scratch, by the way — if I could just turn on the water at the stove, it would be pretty handy.
I have talked to my wife about it. She would love to have a pot filler someday for sure.
Host:
If anyone has to fill the pot and then carry it over, you think about how many people you are feeding.
Have you ever had a thing called crab legs?
Mike:
A lot of water.
Host:
What if we put a hose attachment there?
Mike:
I will let your wife shoot that down.
Host:
Exactly.
We are talking this morning with Mike Twohig, owner of Edge Construction. We always have way too much fun on this show.
You can learn more online at EdgeConstructionCompany.com. That is all one word, Edge Construction Company dot com.
Their telephone number is 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
We will continue our conversation with Mike and find more ways to get us in trouble in the kitchen as the Home Remodeling Show continues here on 1310 WIBA.
Host:
This is the Home Remodeling Show, brought to you by Edge Construction. You can find them online at EdgeConstructionCompany.com.
That is Edge Construction Company dot com.
Their telephone number is 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
Mike, we left off talking about water, and when we talk about designing where your water comes out, something as simple as a faucet can be overwhelming.
That is where having the guidance of designers at Edge Construction really comes into play, doesn’t it?
Mike:
It does because there are a lot of options.
We have several faucets we can show you in our showroom, and we are going to show you things people usually pick.
We are not trying to force you in the direction of being a crowd follower, but there is a reason people pick that stuff.
I have noticed that there are some technology options now. We have talked a little bit about those before. You can bump the kitchen faucet, and it goes on. You can bump it again, and it goes off.
That system has been around for quite a while. We have people who have used it, and they like it. It is not a problem.
A lot of it is about how things look.
If you went back 10 years, I remember maybe three or four finishes. The main ones were brushed nickel, stainless look, and chrome.
Now you have bronze, oil-rubbed bronze, matte black, and probably 20 more options. Some of them get pretty obscure.
Kohler is our starting point. I always do a little ad for Kohler because they are a Wisconsin company, and we use the heck out of them.
If you go on their website now, you will see the trend is a little more modern. It is actually a little more modern for my taste. They still have all of our standards and then some, but I can see where it is going.
I am curious to see whether that is really going to take over in Wisconsin. Some of it looks like big-city living to me. But those are the trends on the faucet side.
Host:
Do we see that overall gooseneck design as the most popular?
Obviously, there are nuances to that design, but is that the one most people are looking at these days?
Mike:
It is.
They just keep making that better.
How many ways can you design a faucet? How many ways can you come up with something radically different at this point?
But they seem to change it five or 10 percent, and it is usually a smart improvement. Sometimes the improvements are visible and sometimes they are not.
Maybe they just work better. Maybe they retract better, handle water better, or are easier to use.
Host:
Talking about trends, air fryers in the last couple of years have been a blessing for many of us. Maybe not our waistline.
Mike:
I love air fryers. I am not supposed to, but I do.
Host:
Do they make any type of built-in system like that yet?
That also reminds me of the other night. Madison and I made a pizza. Do you remember the Pizzazz pizza oven from forever ago? I still have mine from when I was single.
It was basically a tray and a little C-shaped thing that went around it.
It still works just as well. I thought this was a great invention. If you had asked me back in the late 1990s or early 2000s, I would have said these would be everywhere, and I would have had one in the kitchen.
Mike:
Did you ever have a George Foreman?
Host:
To the air fryer thing, are we seeing built-in versions?
Mike:
Yes.
If you look at some of our kitchens, you may say, “Oh, they have a double oven.” They may have a double oven, or they may have one regular oven and another unit that is a convection oven, slash air fryer, slash something else.
That is what we are seeing: more combo units.
It might be a good-sized oven and then a smaller one above it. That smaller one can also operate as a normal oven.
Host:
And if you do have a countertop air fryer and a Pizzazz, you can build a beautiful pantry to store them in.
Mike:
Exactly. We are just going to tuck them off to the side.
Host:
We are talking this morning with Mike Twohig of Edge Construction.
If you are thinking about a kitchen remodel or any type of remodeling, they would love to talk with you.
Pick up the phone and call 608-636-3343. That number is 636-EDGE.
The website is EdgeConstructionCompany.com.
This is the Home Remodeling Show, brought to you by Edge Construction, right here on 1310 WIBA.